Washoua & Bao

Their Story and Insights

Washoua Vang and Bao Kha have been married for more than thirty years. Vang and Kha both have been shamans for fourteen years. Washoua said:

"Wb ua tau ua, ziag no wb ua tau los xyoo 2014 no ces, wb ua tau 14 xyoo neeb no lawm. Wb ua tau 14 xyoo neeb nos ces wb yeej kho cov neeg nos los mus tau 14 lub xyoo no. Nws yeej tsis muaj qhov ua yuav, ua niam no, npua tau ntawm wb thiab. Kho ces yeej kho tau txhua tus mus ntxiv thiab." (We’ve conducted ceremonies since 2014, so we’ve been doing it for 14 years now. We have done it for fourteen years now and have healed people for fourteen years now. There isn’t something we can’t heal or have done wrong. We will and have continued to heal people successfully).

They identified themselves as txiv neeb (shamans) that conduct the type of neeb call neeb pog thiab yawg. There are two types of neeb pog thiab yawg. The one that Washoua does is called neeb tswb zeej. This means the shamans wear a black headscarf instead of a red one. This type of neeb is passed down through the generations. In other words, Vang’s dad and grandpa was a shaman, therefore Washoua was one. The qhuav neeb (the shaman’s helper spirits) from his family had passed down through generations. One of his children one day will also have these qhuav neeb and will become a shaman.

Vang also explains to me that the voices are like seeing sparkles... He says that the voices are similar to seeing black, red and blue sparkles. Each color of sparks tells him what the cause and type of illness he is looking for in the person.

Vang particularly focuses on what he feels when he is an ua neeb. He describes it as voices, his qhuav neeb, guiding him to find the spirit and reason to the illness of the person he is healing. He expressed the following:

"Pev kev ua neeb nos tsis yog lav tau lav ua. Peb yeej muaj coj tau, ib cov, uh niam no, muaj ib cov suab npe, los yog tias suav nrob qhia tau rau yus uh lub siab lub ntswb kom yus ua. Yog yus tus neeb ntawm mob txoj hov twb, mas nws yuav tsum qhia txoj kev rau yus kom yus mus khov tus tiv neeg mob ntawm kom zoo." (The way we do neeb is not like you just do it for fun. We have voices that speak to our hearts. If the person you are healing is hurt somewhere, that particular voice will tell you the pathway to go heal that person so he or she can be cured).

Vang also explained to me that the voices are like seeing sparkles. He compares these sparkles to fireworks when they explode in the sky and the sparks fall down. He says that the voices are similar to seeing black, red and blue sparkles. Each color of sparks tells him what the cause and type of illness he is looking for in the person. The red one is called shu, meaning the root cause is blood, murders or the killing of someone. The black sparks signify an illness relating to someone or something bad that has come into your home and is being relentless to the txiaj meeg. The txiaj meeg is the guidance in homes and also the spirit that watches over money and wealth. If someone harms this home spirit, the family may have stress over money and is need of a shaman to fix it. Vang explained the sight of sparkles during his practice of ua neeb:

"Qhov kev ntseeg ua peb ua hau mas, nws...nws, nws pom mas nws zoo li um, qhov kev ntseeg peb ua pom mas yog peb mus saib txoj ib tus tiv neeg los yog saib txoj ib lub vaj lub tsev twb mas peb paub hais tias lub tsev nos nws muaj zoo li no nawb mas, nws special tias nws sau qhiab rau yus, no nas. Qhia rau lub qhov muaj nos mas nws pom  li uh, nws pom li uh niam nos lawm tso cov tawg tawg paj, ib yaj li lawm tuav cov tawg tawg paj ya dawb vog, liab vog, liag vog rau uv rau nos, ces koj yeej paub hais tias lub tawg zoo li nos mas yog haib mob li nos, lub tawg li nos mas yog haib mos li nos." (The belief we do during ua neeb, it...it, it sees like this, um, that we see what looks at a person or a person’s house so we know that this house is like this, it’s special so [the spirit voices] tell you. [The spirit voices] tell the eyes to see, to see things like, like sparkles (blooming of flowers), just like when someone does firecrackers, white and red everywhere. Then we know that if it blooms like this, it must be this illness, if it blooms like that, it must be that illness).

This process occurs when the shaman is beginning his neeb. If you are a shaman and you conduct a ceremony or ritual (neeb) to someone but don’t see any of these sparkles, that means that person doesn’t have anything bad related to the house or their illness isn’t that big of a deal.

The fact that homes and houses also play a huge role in Hmong Shamanism became clear when talking to Washoua and Bao. Vang continues to talk about the importance of the home. He says that in every home, young spirits live there that protect the house, acting as a shield to the family that lives there. Therefore when the shaman travels to spaces, like a home, these spirits tell the shaman where and why the person is ill. For example Vang described that if the dab qhua in the house is not happy because it has been touched, it causes a person in the family to be ill. This makes the family realize that they need to better protect the dab qhua. The dab qhua relates to the xwb kav, made of paper money, feathers and chicken blood, which is the holiest and most protective item in the house.

Bao Kha started being a shaman when she gave birth to her third child. She knew she was going to be a shaman when she was a young girl back in Laos. I’ve asked her, “How do you know you are going to be a shaman?” and “How do you become a shaman?” She answers that it is going to be a long story; therefore she will give me the shorter version of it. Kha first explained to me the difference between being “crazy,” and becoming a “shaman.” When you become a shaman, it is as if you were crazy. Crazy people hear voices but to her the voices are helping guide her to become a shaman so she can heal others. When one becomes a shaman, one will become really sick and go through a lot of illness and pain. These types of illness and pain that a shaman feels are the types of sickness that he or she can heal and cure. For instance she recounted a story that one day she felt a pain on her arm. At the time, she had already conducted several ua neeb ceremonies to heal people. Two days after she felt the pain on her arm, a lady asked her to perform an ua neeb because her arms hurt. This is an example of how the types of sickness that shamans go through are the types that they can heal.

Kha said that one time she was so sick that all her hair fell off. She would also faint and come back to reality by herself. These are some of the types of illness that she can heal because prior to becoming a shaman, she already experienced those types of pain. For the most part, a lot of Hmong shamans are like this; they experience a lot of different types of minor to extreme pain and illness before becoming a shaman. Some of this pain and illness cannot be well explained by western medicine and that is how one knows he or she should become a shaman.

My aunt Bao Kha and my mom also gave insights into the types of shamans that exist. As previously mentioned, there are two groups of neeb. The first group wears the black headscarf over their face when they perform ua neeb. The second group wears the red headscarf. The black headscarf group has two kinds of shamans within it. The first is neeb tswb zeej, which is the neeb of great ancestors that has been passed down for generations. Kha and Vang both comes from shamans that conduct neeb tswb zeej. The other kind of neeb is the neeb xua npleg which is only for healing those who are going to die. In this type of neeb, the shamans do not wear the finger bells on his or her hands. In fact this neeb is very quiet so that the shaman can go steal a spirit in the bad spirit world in order to bring it to the original body. This is different from the neeb tswb zeej because those who perform the neeb tswbzeej do it with finger bells. Kha explained the differences of shamans as the following:

"Peb yog ua, peb yog cov neeb ua tswb zeej. Peb yog cov neeb tswb zeej. Peb nrhoob thiv hau dub. Hov muaj ua ib cov ces yog thiv hau liab yog ua, yog neeb xov. Mas peb muaj ua ob hov neeb yog cov ua li nos. Hov ib hov, yog cov neeb xua nplej. Cov ntawm mas cov ua es tus neeb mob twb yuav tuag lawm mas, mas ua. Cov neeb xua npleg ntawm mas cov ntawm mas mus nyias nplig puv tos dab npua teb li luag hais lawm os. Mus dua tos mas nws mus nyias tus nplig tos rov qab los ces tus neeg ntawm yuav tsum ciaj xwb." (We are the shamans who conduct neeb tswb zeej. We are neeb tswb zeej. We wear the black headscarf. There are those who wear red, which are call neeb xov. These are the two types of shaman. There is another kind call neeb xua nlej. These are for those who are going to die and are in need of a soul. The shaman would go to the evil spirit world and steal a spirit and comes back. The person healing must become alive again afterward).

Neeb sov is the only type of neeb with the red headscarf. This type of neeb as my mom explained to me, are shamans who, when in heaven and came to life [on earth], are fated to become a shaman. They are different in that this type of neeb is not pass down through generations. Only the special ones are picked to become a txiv neeb (shaman) that does neeb sov. There is also the last type of neeb that shamans conduct near the stove. In total, there are five types of shamans.

Bao, Washoua, and my parents also discussed a bit about how Hmong shamans not only heal the Hmong community but also other non-Hmong people with different backgrounds. My mom told a story of an aunt who lived next door to a white family. The wife of the family didn’t like them because my aunt’s family would hold religious ceremonies and rituals that would annoy them. One day one of the neighbor’s kids was sick and the family next door didn’t know what to do. Therefore, the shaman in my aunt’s family said if the family was okay with it, she would call the kid’s soul to come back. The mother was desperate for help so she agreed. After the shaman called the soul and tied a red string to the kid, the kid got better the next morning. This is an example of how Hmong shamans are also open to healing those who are not Hmong. My aunt and my mom emphasized that those who ask for help from shamans should believe that the shamans are doing their best to heal them.

Lastly, my aunt Bao Kha, spoke about why being a shaman and neeb is beneficial to her, her home, and her family. She said that being a shaman is beneficial in that the voices come and tell her if her children are in harm spiritually. For instance she gave this example:

"Qhov ntawm pab los mas,  rau qhov vim hais tias thaum yus txawm kiag cov neeb nos ces, teb, ib yaj li yus tus me nyuam, yus tus me nyuam mus poob nplig qhov twg los, ib tsim yus pw, lawm twb los qhia hais tias, lawm twb los qhia hais tias oh, nws mus poob nplig qhov nos lawm nas.(Being a shaman helps. It helps because when you start to conduct neeb, like, when your kid lost their soul somewhere, when you go to sleep later, a voice will come tell you that your child had lost their soul and will tell you where they have lost it).

In the Hmong community, if no one in your immediate family is a shaman, you must go find and thov (ask politely) for a shaman to come help heal. Therefore if you have a shaman within your family, it is much more convenient and easier to protect and heal your family.

Bao Kha and Washoua felt a need to prove to the Western side of medicine that what they believe in is real and it works in healing people. My aunt mentioned that it is not just about healing people physically but spiritually. She says everyone has a spirit and that Hmong shamans believe in healing the spirits between worlds.